Joe Biden kept classified material after leaving the vice presidency, knew what it was, and read it aloud to a civilian with no security clearance who was helping him write a book he was paid $8 million for.
He said as much on tape, repeatedly, in 2016 and 2017. The Justice Department had those recordings and kept them from the public for two years – the same two years it was prosecuting Donald Trump for mishandling classified documents.
The recordings came out Monday night, released by the Heritage Foundation’s Oversight Project after a FOIA fight that began in March 2024 and ran first against the Justice Department and then against Biden’s personal attorneys. Roughly three hours of audio and 117 pages of transcripts, drawn from the interviews Special Counsel Robert Hur obtained during his investigation into Biden’s handling of classified material. The Oversight Project says the complete set runs to about 70 hours and that further releases are coming.
Start with what is on them.
In an October 2016 session, recorded while he was still the sitting vice president, Biden tells ghostwriter Mark Lewis Zwonitzer: “I have extensive notes over this period of time… They didn’t even know I had this.”
In February 2017, a month after leaving office and living in a Virginia rental: “So this was – I, early on, in ’09 – I just found all of the classified stuff downstairs.” He then walks Zwonitzer through his 2009 argument against the Afghanistan troop surge.